Comments on: Crime and Paranoia http://gautango.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/crime-and-paranoia/ it takes two Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:35:30 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Zac http://gautango.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/crime-and-paranoia/#comment-1769 Zac Fri, 07 Aug 2009 01:27:17 +0000 http://gautango.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/crime-and-paranoia/#comment-1769 Crime in South Africa is mad. Whether its increasing or not I don't know, I don't know whose side to pick on this thread as I have seen a lot of conflicting data, a lot of this data even includes accredited citations. Crime in South Africa is mad. Whether its increasing or not I don’t know, I don’t know whose side to pick on this thread as I have seen a lot of conflicting data, a lot of this data even includes accredited citations.

]]> By: Fred http://gautango.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/crime-and-paranoia/#comment-1764 Fred Mon, 19 Jan 2009 00:17:33 +0000 http://gautango.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/crime-and-paranoia/#comment-1764 "According to South African Police Services: Murders 60 per DAY." False. 50 a day (18,487 yearly). http://www.saps.gov.za/statistics/reports/crimestats/2008/march_april_2001_2008/catagory/murder.pdf "According to Department of Home Affairs: Murders 83 per DAY." False. The Department of Home Affairs don't have murder statistics for the country. "According to Medical Research Council: Murders 89 per DAY" False. The Medical Research Council's murder capital of South Africa is the Cape Town area with a relatively paltry 63 per 100,000. The rate given above for the entire country is higher than that and twice the MRC rate for Johannesburg. Go figure. The MRC also lacks nationwide coverage. http://www.mrc.ac.za/crime/nimms_rpt_Nov08.pdf "According to Interpol claims: Murders 149 per DAY." False. Interpol have no murder statistics for South Africa. They obtain them from national police services, and have frequently been found to tabulate attempted murders with murders without making the average reader aware. Venezuela and Caracas are the murder capitals of the world. “According to South African Police Services: Murders 60 per DAY.”

False. 50 a day (18,487 yearly).

http://www.saps.gov.za/statistics/reports/crimestats/2008/march_april_2001_2008/catagory/murder.pdf

“According to Department of Home Affairs: Murders 83 per DAY.”

False. The Department of Home Affairs don’t have murder statistics for the country.

“According to Medical Research Council: Murders 89 per DAY”

False. The Medical Research Council’s murder capital of South Africa is the Cape Town area with a relatively paltry 63 per 100,000. The rate given above for the entire country is higher than that and twice the MRC rate for Johannesburg. Go figure. The MRC also lacks nationwide coverage.

http://www.mrc.ac.za/crime/nimms_rpt_Nov08.pdf

“According to Interpol claims: Murders 149 per DAY.”

False. Interpol have no murder statistics for South Africa. They obtain them from national police services, and have frequently been found to tabulate attempted murders with murders without making the average reader aware.

Venezuela and Caracas are the murder capitals of the world.

]]> By: Snowy Smith http://gautango.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/crime-and-paranoia/#comment-1763 Snowy Smith Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:32:56 +0000 http://gautango.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/crime-and-paranoia/#comment-1763 South Africa is the CRIME, MURDER Capital of the World. 60 to 149 MURDERS per DAY South Africa PER DAY WOW. South Africa is the CRIME, MURDER Capital of the World. According to South African Police Services: Murders 60 per DAY. According to Department of Home Affairs: Murders 83 per DAY. According to Medical Research Council: Murders 89 per DAY According to Interpol claims: Murders 149 per DAY. NOT A SINGLE ONE ON SABC TV. The reason for this under-reporting of MURDER and CRIME in South Africa could be the desire by the ANC Government to change the growing reputation of South Africa as the “crime capital of the world”, this title is one any government would desperately want to lose as it would cause any potential investor to take his money elsewhere. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ According to South African Police Services 21,683 per year According to South African Police Services 60 per DAY in South Africa Police new computerised Geographic Information System (GIS), which, as of June 2001, had been implemented at 340 priority police stations covering 80% of the country. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ According to Department of Home Affairs, 30,068 per year According to Department of Home Affairs, 83 per day. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ According to Medical Research Council 32,482 According to Medical Research Council 89 murders MRC statistics, there are 89 murders committed on average every day in South Africa. Non-natural” deaths from 37 mortuaries in six provinces (note that South Africa now has nine provinces). MRC's revelation of serious under-registration and misclassification in the government's death statistics was gleaned from various sources. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ According to Interpol claims 54,298 per year. According to Interpol claims 149 per day. VIOLENT CRIME Interpol figures South Africa has extraordinary high level of VIOLENT CRIME. It is South Africa’s high level of violent crime which sets the country apart from other crime ridden societies. This finding is supported by CIAC data indicating that since 1994 recorded violent crime has been escalating at a faster rate than any other crime category. It is primarily violent crime which fuels people’s fear of crime. To lose its label as crime capital of the world, violent crime levels have to drop substantially in South Africa. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ http://www.frontline.org.za/articles/murder_southafrica.doc Google: Murder, Crime, South Africa South Africa is the CRIME , MURDER Capital of the World. 60 to 149 MURDERS per DAY South Africa South Africa is the CRIME, MURDER Capital of the World.

60 to 149 MURDERS per DAY South Africa

PER DAY

WOW.

South Africa is the CRIME, MURDER Capital of the World.

According to South African Police Services: Murders 60 per DAY.
According to Department of Home Affairs: Murders 83 per DAY.
According to Medical Research Council: Murders 89 per DAY
According to Interpol claims: Murders 149 per DAY.

NOT A SINGLE ONE ON SABC TV.
The reason for this under-reporting of MURDER and CRIME in South Africa could be the desire by the ANC Government to change the growing reputation of South Africa as the “crime capital of the world”, this title is one any government would desperately want to lose as it would cause any potential investor to take his money elsewhere.

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According to South African Police Services 21,683 per year
According to South African Police Services 60 per DAY in South Africa
Police new computerised Geographic Information System (GIS), which, as of June 2001, had been implemented at 340 priority police stations covering 80% of the country.
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According to Department of Home Affairs, 30,068 per year
According to Department of Home Affairs, 83 per day.

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According to Medical Research Council 32,482
According to Medical Research Council 89 murders

MRC statistics, there are 89 murders committed on average every day in South Africa.
Non-natural” deaths from 37 mortuaries in six provinces (note that South Africa now has nine provinces).
MRC’s revelation of serious under-registration and misclassification in the government’s death statistics was gleaned from various sources.
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According to Interpol claims 54,298 per year.
According to Interpol claims 149 per day.

VIOLENT CRIME

Interpol figures South Africa has extraordinary high level of VIOLENT CRIME. It is South Africa’s high level of violent crime which sets the country apart from other crime ridden societies. This finding is supported by CIAC data indicating that since 1994 recorded violent crime has been escalating at a faster rate than any other crime category. It is primarily violent crime which fuels people’s fear of crime. To lose its label as crime capital of the world, violent crime levels have to drop substantially in South Africa.

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http://www.frontline.org.za/articles/murder_southafrica.doc
Google: Murder, Crime, South Africa

South Africa is the CRIME , MURDER Capital of the World.
60 to 149 MURDERS per DAY South Africa

]]> By: Fred http://gautango.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/crime-and-paranoia/#comment-1761 Fred Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:43:27 +0000 http://gautango.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/crime-and-paranoia/#comment-1761 Uhm, Dawe, Caracas is the world's crime capital and there are other numerous cities more dangerous than Johannesburg. South Africa's murder rate also continues to decrease practically every year. Those are the facts my friend. Uhm, Dawe, Caracas is the world’s crime capital and there are other numerous cities more dangerous than Johannesburg. South Africa’s murder rate also continues to decrease practically every year. Those are the facts my friend.

]]> By: Dawe Chimalero http://gautango.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/crime-and-paranoia/#comment-1760 Dawe Chimalero Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:14:25 +0000 http://gautango.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/crime-and-paranoia/#comment-1760 As an African living in the UK I hope people realize that this 'blog' is totally subjective and does not report correctly any Jozi's daily life. Jozi is the crime capital of the world - London is fast catching up. However, crime has drastically increased since SA was freed from apartheid - despite the incorrect reportings - the fear here is rational and necessary to survive - attacks are vicious and unprecedented. There are as many wealthy black people as white people and as many blacks and whites living in poverty. Stop the racist rubbish - do not patronize Africans - both Black and White Africans are proud to be African - the racists are the 'pc' brigade of the Western European countries who are constantly aware of 'colour' and social inequality - look at your own countries and put these things right there before becoming 'do-gooders' in our countries - social inequality is a world problem - apartheid is long gone praise god, now stop trying to tell everyone that Africa is paradise - its not - its a beautiful continent with beautiful people and ravaged by mistrust, dirty politics, dictators and thieves as well as really good people - just like the rest of the world. But if you are thinking of living in Johannesburg/Jozi - you will live with fear and be in danger - get real. As an African living in the UK I hope people realize that this ‘blog’ is totally subjective and does not report correctly any Jozi’s daily life. Jozi is the crime capital of the world – London is fast catching up. However, crime has drastically increased since SA was freed from apartheid – despite the incorrect reportings – the fear here is rational and necessary to survive – attacks are vicious and unprecedented. There are as many wealthy black people as white people and as many blacks and whites living in poverty. Stop the racist rubbish – do not patronize Africans – both Black and White Africans are proud to be African – the racists are the ‘pc’ brigade of the Western European countries who are constantly aware of ‘colour’ and social inequality – look at your own countries and put these things right there before becoming ‘do-gooders’ in our countries – social inequality is a world problem – apartheid is long gone praise god, now stop trying to tell everyone that Africa is paradise – its not – its a beautiful continent with beautiful people and ravaged by mistrust, dirty politics, dictators and thieves as well as really good people – just like the rest of the world. But if you are thinking of living in Johannesburg/Jozi – you will live with fear and be in danger – get real.

]]> By: Alternativtourismus. | Phase 5 http://gautango.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/crime-and-paranoia/#comment-1756 Alternativtourismus. | Phase 5 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:30:37 +0000 http://gautango.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/crime-and-paranoia/#comment-1756 [...] die “Favelas de São Paulo” Tour oder passend zur WM 2010 die “Johannesburg - Murder Capital of the World” [...] [...] die “Favelas de São Paulo” Tour oder passend zur WM 2010 die “Johannesburg – Murder Capital of the World” [...]

]]> By: Greg Berchenko http://gautango.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/crime-and-paranoia/#comment-1751 Greg Berchenko Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:18:42 +0000 http://gautango.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/crime-and-paranoia/#comment-1751 The South Africa sucks blog has a racist agenda and is not a reliabe measure of crime. The South Africa sucks blog has a racist agenda and is not a reliabe measure of crime.

]]> By: Fred http://gautango.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/crime-and-paranoia/#comment-1430 Fred Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:17:45 +0000 http://gautango.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/crime-and-paranoia/#comment-1430 Excellent report. Apart from equating Britain's low level of legal gun ownership with it's mundane level of violence, there were many truths. A lot of Afrikaners are incredibly paranoid and always seem to claim South Africa or Johannesburg are the murder capitals of the world every year. The fact is that South Africa has occasionally been ahead of Colombia (it's normally below it) and Johannesburg was never in a million years the murder capital of the world - Medellin was surprisingly worse (i.e. not exactly a photo finish - look up the stats) and since that city's precipitous decline in homicide it's now somewhere like Caracas or Rio. Having said that, the level of violence in South Africa is still incredibly high, it's just the white population don't half go on about it and are often guilty of some disgraceful exaggerating and deliberate misuse of statistics. Excellent report. Apart from equating Britain’s low level of legal gun ownership with it’s mundane level of violence, there were many truths.

A lot of Afrikaners are incredibly paranoid and always seem to claim South Africa or Johannesburg are the murder capitals of the world every year. The fact is that South Africa has occasionally been ahead of Colombia (it’s normally below it) and Johannesburg was never in a million years the murder capital of the world – Medellin was surprisingly worse (i.e. not exactly a photo finish – look up the stats) and since that city’s precipitous decline in homicide it’s now somewhere like Caracas or Rio.

Having said that, the level of violence in South Africa is still incredibly high, it’s just the white population don’t half go on about it and are often guilty of some disgraceful exaggerating and deliberate misuse of statistics.

]]> By: Greg Dawson http://gautango.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/crime-and-paranoia/#comment-270 Greg Dawson Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:16:34 +0000 http://gautango.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/crime-and-paranoia/#comment-270 If you want to find out what is really happening in South Africa regarding crime go to http://southafricasucks.blogspot.com/ which is a daily update of crimes covered in the Sth African newspapers. The site has archives of the past 3 months or so. Anybody who doesn't think that crime is out of control after reading this believes in the Easter bunny. If you want to find out what is really happening in South Africa regarding crime go to http://southafricasucks.blogspot.com/ which is a daily update of crimes covered in the Sth African newspapers. The site has archives of the past 3 months or so. Anybody who doesn’t think that crime is out of control after reading this believes in the Easter bunny.

]]> By: Fear and Loathing in South Africa « Ag in Africa http://gautango.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/crime-and-paranoia/#comment-258 Fear and Loathing in South Africa « Ag in Africa Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:43:17 +0000 http://gautango.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/crime-and-paranoia/#comment-258 [...] of 3,434. There’s some interesting writing about perceptions of crime in SA on the excellent Gautango blog, which is written by a couple of Americans who are currently living in [...] [...] of 3,434. There’s some interesting writing about perceptions of crime in SA on the excellent Gautango blog, which is written by a couple of Americans who are currently living in [...]

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